2009-11-09 - Ubuntu Wiki

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2009-11-09

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[07:01] <stochastic> Hi everyone.  Who all is here for the Ubuntu Studio Developer's meeting?

[07:02] <TheMuso> Hey stochastic.

[07:02] <stochastic> hey TheMuso

[07:03] <stochastic> TheMuso are we the only two here?

[07:03] <TheMuso> stochastic: So far.

[07:05] <stochastic> Well should we proceed with discussion of the agenda?

[07:05] <stochastic> UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2009Nov9

[07:06] <TheMuso> Since there is only the two of us atm, I don't really feel like going through it, since I've just had a day of work. If others were in attendance, I'd be ok with it however.

[07:06] <jussio1> Ã¶/

[07:07] <TheMuso> stochastic: However if you want to, thats fine with me.

[07:07] <jussio1> stochastic: go for it

[07:07] <stochastic> hi jussio1

[07:07]  * jussio1 slaps whoever invented mornings...

[07:08] <stochastic> well since jussi is here now, I think it's worth at least skimming through the topics

[07:08] <TheMuso> ok

[07:08] <stochastic> so Discussion of Karmic

[07:09] <stochastic> are users happy?

[07:09] <stochastic> there were lots of upgrade issues I heard about

[07:09]  * TheMuso thinks so, overall. It doesn't help that we have some users giving bad information to help others out of a bind.

[07:09] <jussio1> as long as the RT kernel works, most users are happy.

[07:09] <stochastic> yeah, in general people like Karmic

[07:09] <TheMuso> stochastic: Well since we don't have enough man power to even test fresh installs, I am not surprised users have upgade issues, since we don't really test it.

[07:09] <jussio1> how is it running? whats the status?

[07:10] <stochastic> jussio1, you mean the RT kernel?

[07:10] <TheMuso> jussio1: Overall the RT kernel is doing very well. I think a few users are having issues with suspend/resume, but we don't promote that as something we support.

[07:10] <jussio1> yeah

[07:10] <jussio1> TheMuso: ok, great.

[07:11]  * jussio1 is a little bit out of stuff atm. 

[07:11] <stochastic> has any user reported the Swami thing?

[07:11] <TheMuso> Well I made a note during karmic that swami needed updating, but never got back to doing it.

[07:12] <stochastic> yeah, okay, I haven't heard anyone saying that the soundfont support is broken in any way

[07:13] <stochastic> anything else to say about Karmic?

[07:13] <TheMuso> not from me

[07:14] <stochastic> Okay Lucid:

[07:14] <stochastic> Jack into Main

[07:15] <stochastic> what are we needing to do at this stage?  wait for some debian syncs?

[07:16] <stochastic> TheMuso, jussio1, are you two planning on helping with this move of jack into main?

[07:17] <jussio1> stochastic: not overly, there are others who are interested. Ive many many things on my plate atm. Although I may be able to do some testing if required.

[07:17] <TheMuso> stochastic: Yes, I need to review all the pieces first, and take appropriate action, will take care of it once initial merges/syncs are out of the way.

[07:17] <stochastic> TheMuso, okay great.  I think libffado may need a sync request.

[07:18] <stochastic> TheMuso should a schedule be built for this project?

[07:19] <TheMuso> stochastic: I don't think so.

[07:20] <stochastic> okay, anything else need to be said about Jack in Main?

[07:20] <TheMuso> nope

[07:21] <stochastic> okay I put growth in Graphics and Video metas on the agenda because I'd like to see a more balanced userbase

[07:21] <TheMuso> No omment, not a user of these

[07:21] <TheMuso> comment

[07:21] <TheMuso> I just add/remove whats asked for.

[07:21] <stochastic> fair enough

[07:22] <jussio1> hrm

[07:22] <jussio1> I think we have to cater to the users out there.

[07:22] <stochastic> I'll consult with some people on what new possible tweaks we might offer.  The Video package might see some stable and user friendly editors coming in Lucid.

[07:23] <stochastic> jussio1, you mean our current userbase?

[07:25] <stochastic> okay, well constant meta package consultations need to be looked into anyway

[07:25] <jussio1> stochastic: I mean that we need to check that we have users actually using the features we offer. if not, we need to consider dropping some.

[07:25] <stochastic> true

[07:25] <TheMuso> jussio1: Agreed, disks are big as it is, if we can cut them down as much as possible, then that would be good.

[07:26] <jussio1> Perhaps some sort of user survey or something is in oreder. (havent really thought it through)

[07:27] <stochastic> Should we plan on sending an e-mail to the users list to gauge interest in applications?

[07:28] <stochastic> I'll happily do this.

[07:28] <TheMuso> sounds like a good idea

[07:28] <jussio1> stochastic: email might be a bit long, given how many apps we ship

[07:28] <jussio1> perhaps an email with a wiki link?

[07:28] <jussio1> or somethign similar.

[07:29] <stochastic> jussio1, okay that might work too

[07:29] <jussio1> but yeah, some sort of user feedback is important.

[07:29] <stochastic> okay anything else to say on this topic?

[07:30] <TheMuso> no

[07:30] <stochastic> I think we can safely skip over the next two agenda points "updated packaging whishlist" and "motin's suggestion regarding using the ubuntustudio ppa for jack package testing"

[07:31] <TheMuso> right

[07:31] <stochastic> anyone want to talk on those points?

[07:31] <stochastic> the next item is Kernel Plan

[07:31] <TheMuso> We don't know what mainline kernel will be used for lucid yet, so can't do anything else till we know that.

[07:31] <TheMuso> thats pretty much it atm.

[07:32] <stochastic> fair enough

[07:32] <stochastic> next item is Ubuntu Studio Controls

[07:32] <jussio1> is there a reason we cant stick with an older kernel?

[07:33] <TheMuso> jussio1: It breaks different pieces of the userspace stack in weird and wonderful ways.

[07:33] <jussio1> :(

[07:33] <jussio1> hrr

[07:33] <TheMuso> jussio1: We had a mis-aligned alsa stack in hardy, and it broke things in painful ways for some people.

[07:33] <jussio1> right. moving n then

[07:34] <stochastic> Alex has recently expressed in a need-packaging bug that he's too busy right now to devote much time to Ubuntu Studio so I don't imagine he'll be around to help with Controls updates

[07:34] <TheMuso> right

[07:34] <jussio1> alex?

[07:34] <stochastic> rexbron

[07:34] <TheMuso> s/alex/andrew/

[07:34] <stochastic> whoops

[07:34] <stochastic> sorry

[07:35] <TheMuso> np

[07:35] <stochastic> Is Luis knowledgeable in the Controls code?

[07:35] <TheMuso> I believe so.

[07:35] <stochastic> Cory was saying Luis and Andrew should be penned in to migrate Controls to GTKBuilder

[07:36] <jussio1> its python anyway, and not too large, so if we can find a new someone they could learn reasonably quick.

[07:36] <stochastic> but we also have a number of Controls bugs we need to tackle.

[07:36] <stochastic> I'm partially knowledgeable with the codebase

[07:36] <stochastic> a new developer would be a great thing

[07:37] <TheMuso> right

[07:37] <stochastic> jussio1, do you have anyone in mind?

[07:38] <jussio1> no

[07:38] <stochastic> okay, well in conversations with everyone keep this project in the back of your head

[07:38] <stochastic> anything else to say on Controls?

[07:40] <TheMuso> no

[07:40] <stochastic> Next on the agenda is the artwork to be used project-wide, but Cory isn't around.  I trust he has a plan.

[07:40] <stochastic> I sure am glad Cory has time to work on this

[07:41] <stochastic> last Lucid-specific topic is "What elements need to be added to UbuntuStudio/LucidTaskList "

[07:42] <stochastic> I think we need to announce this page a little bit and try to get new team members to chip in a bit through those projects.

[07:42] <jussio1> yes.

[07:42] <TheMuso> right

[07:42] <TheMuso> agreed

[07:42] <jussio1> and we need to be a little more open with "team membership". it needs to be a little less "exclusive" so people feel more comfortsble contributing.

[07:43] <TheMuso> The ubuntustudio-dev team? I don't agree.

[07:43] <TheMuso> The team has write access to seeds and packaging branches in bzr.

[07:43] <TheMuso> IMO one has to earn their access to that data.

[07:43] <jussio1> TheMuso: I dont mean adding people to it, but there needs to be something further for casual contributors - similar to erics testing team

[07:44] <TheMuso> jussio1: Ok thats fine then.

[07:44] <stochastic> speaking of the Testing Team, that's the final agenda topic

[07:44] <stochastic> Cory was the only one to speak out with any form of opposition/critique on the mailing list

[07:45] <TheMuso> I am fine with it.

[07:45] <jussio1> big +1 from me.

[07:45] <stochastic> Okay, I'll go ahead with the plan and we can talk about how successful it is as it progresses

[07:46] <TheMuso> Ok great.

[07:46] <stochastic> Can I assume I should subscribe ubuntustudio-dev as members of the testing team?

[07:46] <TheMuso> yup

[07:46] <stochastic> great.

[07:46] <stochastic> anything else to say before we ajourn the meeting?

[07:46] <TheMuso> not fro me

[07:47] <jussio1> nope

[07:47] <stochastic> oh, we need to sort out a re-scheduling of meetings

[07:47] <TheMuso> not enough of us here to make a decision on that

[07:47] <stochastic> I guess the Mailing List is the best medium for that

[07:47] <TheMuso> I can be flexible with those times, so I'd rather leave it up to others

[07:47] <TheMuso> s/those times/times/

[07:47] <stochastic> okay

[07:48] <stochastic> jussio1, you have any preferences?  talk was about moving the meetings to Sundays

[07:50] <stochastic> Well I think we can cal the meeting over now.  Thanks for showing up TheMuso and jussio1.

[07:50] <TheMuso> stochastic: np thanks guys.

[07:52] <jussio1> stochastic: this is ok. euro day is generally good.

[07:53] <stochastic> jussio1, okay I'm sure we can work around that.  Watch for announcements/discussions on the mailing list

[07:53] <stochastic> ttyl
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