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Ubuntu Studio Users Documentation

Welcome to the Ubuntu Studio user documentation on help.ubuntu.com! The documentation in these wiki pages are intended to help users learn about and use Ubuntu Studio. From basic information to detailed tutorials, this is the place for new users to experienced users alike. We also realize that some Ubuntu Studio users are not familiar with Ubuntu as a generalized desktop distribution and include some helpful information on these topics as well. The sidebar below has several of these topics. If you are looking in information on Ubuntu Studio development or want to contribute, please our HowtohelpDevelopment wiki page! | Miscellaneous Panel FAQ Click on our FAQLink to see our FAQ including: List of applications How to install other applications What is U/S Why certain apps were chosen Non-A/V/G Want to understand how to rip CD's or other non-audio/video/graphical stuff? The regular stuff that everyone else does? See our HowDoI wiki page. Help with Development We would LOVE to have you help us with development. Not a "developer"? That's cool, because we still need you! Contributors are welcome also. See our HelpWithDevelopment page for how you can help! | |

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Current Release Schedule

ISO vs PPA

Numerous people have argued for using the vanilla Ubuntu LiveCD to install Ubuntu and then add the appropriate packages from PPA rather than releasing an ISO image.

It has been argued that "most" people use the LiveCD/PPA method for installation it is not backed up by any data. Furthermore, creating and releasing an ISO image does not preclude others from using the LiveCD and PPA's to install. It is important to note that all applications included on the ISO are in the archives.

Currently we will continue to build and release ISO images.

Building an ISO image:

allows us to control what is not installed - good example is the use of gnome-network-admin in lieu of network manager (which was found to degrade recording performance) or the MeMenu
a single Ubuntu Studio disc can be installed on multiple machines
allows installation on a studio machine that may not have internet
the disc can be downloaded outside the studio - perhaps the studio has dial up internet connection, but the ISO can be downloaded somewhere else that has a much faster connection
gives respect from Canonical as a distrobution
allows for system level configuration (e.g. user in the audio group)

allows us to control what is not installed - good example is the use of gnome-network-admin in lieu of network manager (which was found to degrade recording performance) or the MeMenu Contents

Notes from IRC Logs

These are excerts from an extended IRC discussion about the direction of the project and website development for ubuntustudio.org.

You can find the originals at: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/04/19/%23ubuntustudio-devel.txt http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/04/20/%23ubuntustudio-devel.txt

Core Issues

[23:59] <troy_s> detrate: What in essence is required is ultimately greater numbers. Plain and simple. How to do that when dealing with a very specific audience (perhaps could be more specific and more greatly deliver to that audience's needs is another question entirely) with already limited numbers. [00:04] <troy_s> detrate: We could do well to attract say, a hot independent band to push things along (greater numbers for uptake) or a brilliant independent artist (again greater numbers via halo) etc. [00:41] I've no real opinion on that then, but I agree we have to better define the goals before how we implement stuff matters [00:42] And which system (drupal, wrodpress, etc.) makes no difference at all. [00:42] detrate: It's an implementation detail. [00:43] rlameiro: It's not worth us arguing about which is the right tool: the right tool is the tool that makes the work by the person doing the work easiest. [00:46] <troy_s> detrate: Ubuntu Studio has an implied audience of people that (hopefully lol) rely on the software to achieve their goals / meet their needs / etc. [00:47] <troy_s> detrate: And in the end, it is that audience that the design must cater to. Not the other way around. The other side is certainly important, but basing every design decision on the developer(?) core is likely faulty. [00:48] <troy_s> detrate: The website is clearly important. I'm not disagreeing with you. But when you suggest that 'people who want to help the project grow', that's a HUGE selection of people there. And each one has a pretty significant role. [00:49] <troy_s> rlameiro: Agree. The issue I see though is that all the development in the world isn't going to provide salvation if the tools aren't uptaken by the proper audience and demonstrated to be effective. It's a strange cyclical issue here. [00:51] <troy_s> detrate: I guess I'd start by suggesting what is the core goal of the project. [00:51] <troy_s> If the core goal is to provide a service, what is it? To whom? [00:51] <troy_s> And likely the answer to that important question, is precisely who the audience for the primary website touch point is. [00:54] <troy_s> detrate: The bigger problem seems to stem from figuring out just what to do and why. [01:05] My concern is that if we're solving the not-enough-users problem, and we don't have other solutions in place for the not-enough-support-folks, not-enough-testers, and not-enough-developers, we end up with lots of annoyed users. [01:09] Let's ask some fundamental questions. What do we do? Are we building a flavour? Supporting multimedia software? Writing integration tools? [01:11] <troy_s> rlameiro: I think he is asking that someone step up and frame the problem. What exactly is the goal of the project. [01:12] A flavour of PRO software for Multimedia/artistic purposes [01:13] So, to frame my questions: we currently do all of that. We currently do most of it in a fairly weak manner, for complex reasons. [01:13] <troy_s> ScottL: Ok. That's a big scope. And rlameiro's question begs a further question. For whom? [01:13] I think if we remind ourselves of the goals, we can probably identify what needs doing better. [01:13] And once we know what needs doing, we can better determine what roles exist, and develop a strategy to staff them. [01:14] And once we have staffed roles, we can handle lots of publicity. Right not, publicity is only likely to lead to questionable reviews. [01:14] <troy_s> ScottL: I think that persia's question is precisely the issue in much of what we do, well beyond Ubuntu Studio. [01:16] troy_s: It's the same question for any domain. What do we do? Why? Why does it matter? How shall we do it? But really, let's narrow the focus to the current area of discussion Smile :) [01:17] <troy_s> persia: Because delivery is pretty important and diverse depending on who that audience is. [01:17] <troy_s> persia: Explaining what an ISO is for example, versus not needing to (if you are borrowing from other distribution audiences for example) [01:18] <troy_s> persia: I say this because I know a GOOD number of earn-their-living professional audio types that would be UTTERLY lost in the current incarnation. [01:19] troy_s: Reasonable critique, although I'm unsure if we want that many of that audience in testing: they need post-release stable to do their work, and any testing would have to be separate. [01:19] <troy_s> persia: Totally agree with you. Each audience brings a certain set of design constraints and some are likely ... unattainable? [01:19] troy_s: I prefer to think not. Let's call it "hard to arrange". [01:21] <troy_s> persia: Ok. I know in terms of image processing for example, the faults in GIMP are unarrangeable. [01:23] <troy_s> persia: Hell no. But you follow me when I say that certain things might not be attainable if you blindly profess to be appealing to audience x. [01:24] <troy_s> persia: I mean, I know in terms of imaging, Linux is laughable. I can't speak for audio, and likely neither can anyone in this forum. [01:28] rlameiro: The key isn't how much we know, it's what we do. Until we find studios saying "Yeah, that's good" and e.g. accepting ardour session files for mastering, it's too soon to say that we're really doing professional audio. Note that I know folks who use Ubuntu to generate income-producing audio (and we have some in this conversation), but that's not quite the same thing. [01:31] <scott_> it sounds like Ubuntu Studio is going through a "rebranding" [01:39] <troy_s> scott_: Rebranding or actually addressing the core issues (perhaps finally) [01:43] <troy_s> scott_: The part about that 'pro' label - it doesn't work for pro (likely and there are likely many concrete examples) [01:43] <troy_s> scott_: But say, university uptake (as rlameiro suggests with the multimedia arts) is certainly viable. [01:44] <troy_s> scott_: So it seems that figuring out that who helps to define exactly what needs to be done / solved / negotiated. [01:44] well, yeah, that's kinda why i mentioned what the website says, it's kinda bothered me for a while that something "pro" takes so much knowledge and investment to get the base system functional, troy_s [01:45] <troy_s> scott_: MANY of the points of bikeshed evaporate and the direction for MANY complicated questions are almost automatically solved simply by specifying 'who'.

bikeshed = arguing over trivial points because you want your view heard - http://bikeshed.com/

bikeshed = arguing over trivial points because you want your view heard - http://bikeshed.com/

[01:46] most of my feeling wouldn't be hurt if Studio was an audio distro Wink ;) [01:46] <troy_s> scott_: I couldn't agree more. Smile :) [01:47] <troy_s> scott_: Look at the vast breadth of ability here, and pull a percentage. That clarity might help it out? [01:50] <troy_s> rlameiro: If there is a singular point that Ubuntu Studio can leverage, it isn't in the software (any old Ubuntu works) and it isn't in a custom CD with preinstalls (again, any old package list pumped into synaptic works.) [01:52] <troy_s> rlameiro / ScottL - So figuring out exactly what value Ubuntu Studio can bring to the table (and obviously that is moored in for whom) is about the most tricky question that faces the survival of the project. [01:52] troy_s: That statement assumes that we only care about the flavour. That any old Ubuntu works is in large part because of the work to ensure that Ubuntu Studio works with that software set. [01:52] <troy_s> Not easy questions. Not a chance. But I dare say the sort of meandering death that has befallen it has little to do with leadership or such. Rather vision. [01:53] <troy_s> persia: I agree, there are very real dividends that Ubuntu Studio does that people outside of it don't care about but may... for example getting updated multi-media packages done, getting jack up to date, etc. [01:53] Or having a realtime kernel [01:54] <troy_s> persia: But in terms of a 'project vision', supplementing Ubuntu proper seems... maybe a position of weakness? [01:54] <troy_s> persia: Agree 100% [01:55] <troy_s> It does seem the project has been sputtering for a long while. [01:56] troy_s: That's why I ask the question What do we do?: flavour is important. Software quality is important. Neither works without the other. I think we hurt ourselves if we define any vision that doesn't have Ubuntu Studio as part of Ubuntu very clearly. [01:56] <troy_s> persia: Not going to disagree with you at all. [01:56] <troy_s> persia: I'll be blunt. I see a numbers game. I see the need for people and as a result, greater participation. [01:57] <troy_s> persia: That is NOT an easy issue though. You need real musicians using the setup to comment etc. Full time deployments at a University maybe. Etc. [01:58] <troy_s> ScottL: I think you maybe see why everything puffs up in smoke. Since Cory was here, the inevitable questioning of the vision has come to the surface and many have bowed out. [01:59] <troy_s> ScottL: It is too many things to too many people based on assumptions, and the net sum result is... well... 10-15 people in a channel. [01:59] <troy_s> rlameiro: Because their vision is questionable at times. If you value having talented musicians involved in Ubuntu, it SHOULD be important simply for the RT kernel. [01:59] troy_s, lol at channel comment [02:04] can we agree that we need more community involvement? [02:05] this might also mean remove functionality from Studio then [02:05] if the community doesn't use something they are not going to test or comment about it [02:07] <troy_s> ScottL: Ubuntu Studio doesn't (as a disk iso) bring anything to the table for visual work in my mind. Unless I am missing something. [02:14] providing applications is only half the battle, you need to explain how to use the product you're distributing [02:15] not having a live version I believe is a huge oversight as well [02:15] <troy_s> detrate: There has always been a relatively good set of reasons behind the project's choices... much of it is effort obviously. [02:16] troy_s: I don't see why a light version of each version wouldn't be possible [02:16] assuming you make meta packages for "art", "music" "video" or whatever the separations are [02:16] troy_s: what was the reason to dont have a live version? [02:16] <troy_s> ScottL: Yep. As long as you make decisions that are based on growth. Makes me think we don't document our conditions for failure in projects and we certainly don't evaluate them enough / document them so that others that follow can at least reference and learn from them. [02:17] i had actually thought about wiki pages about applications and decisions we had made and why [02:18] troy_s: i believe, but has the networkmanager decision, maybe now threr is no reason anymore [02:19] <troy_s> rlameiro / ScottL - You guys could likely do much to help this along simply by documenting what the thinking is on the wiki. Maybe involve the mailing list? Try to not fall into the 'everyone' trap etc. [02:21] No live version is because performance on live inherently sucks because of the way live systems work. No network manager was because early versions used extra resources and didn't work well with static IPs (which we expected to be common for studio installs). [02:24] persia: 2gb would be enough for a minimal live system and having some ram for software? [02:25] rlameiro: All-in-RAM means 1) not enough RAM for other things, and 2) there's still the poor filesystem performance inherent in stacked filesystems. [02:25] You could make a livecd. Some folks wouldn't complain. Those folks would be uninformed. [02:28] I think another solution could be to provide videos of the OS in action [02:29] <troy_s> detrate: I'd say many don't likely start there though. If you are looking to Ubuntu Studio, you likely have some idea what it will provide for you. [02:29] Making a liveCD is fairly trivial. Getting it tested it a bit harder. Justifying it is the hardest part. [02:30] <troy_s> detrate: It isn't like (at least having studied god knows how much analytics data) that people randomly out in the ether and stumble across say, Ubuntu Studio and take it for a whirl on a spare box they have sitting around. [02:30] <troy_s> detrate: If they do, they are already likely savvy enough to know what an ISO is, know how to craft one, know how to partition a drive and know how to get it on there. [02:32] troy_s: lol, do you know who made the ubuntustudio theme? [02:34] <troy_s> rlameiro: But it was agreed ages ago that the darkness met a few things - 1) It worked well as a starting point for visual work. 2) It paired well with industrial grade applications. [02:34] <troy_s> rlameiro: Think about going through visual, motion picture, then audio, then... ? [02:39] <troy_s> detrate: I'd say that given free reign of a silly magical poof wand wave, I'd make Ubuntu Studio give up on everything except audio [02:39] <troy_s> detrate: And I'd make it entirely about a perfectly turnkey Jack setup everything type of scenario for an independent band to record an album end to end. [02:39] <troy_s> detrate: With a secondary class of audience that would be university audio lab deployments. [02:40] <troy_s> detrate: From my totally subjective vantage, between those two audiences, I can see a clear area for Ubuntu Studio to deliver some serious value and meet an audience need. [02:44] <troy_s> detrate: You can please a particular audience. That's my point. You can engage them. You can emotionally move them. You can greatly fulfil a need. [02:46] <troy_s> detrate: No... I am totally aware of that new audience member. I am saying embrace their current situation. They aren't us. They come from OSX or Windows, etc. They have a given set of expectations etc. [02:49] well so the issue is wether we need to narrow the scope or not, at least on troy_s poit of view, isnt that? [02:50] <troy_s> rlameiro: I don't think there is the time / people currently to warrant anything but a reduction in scope. Perhaps that is skepticism on my part. [02:50] maybe focus on the best tools to include, offer the others available as meta packages. [02:54] So, is it reasonable to send a request for a poll to vote on narrowing US??? to the mailing lists ? [02:54] <troy_s> rlameiro: I think the project is in the hands of those that are passionate about it. That likely includes ScottL, yourself, and others that have shown the willingness to linger for extended periods of time. [02:55] troy_s: true, but the user have a word in it [02:55] <troy_s> rlameiro: If your goal is to simply fulfill the needs of the current, then perhaps votes work wonders. [03:00] <troy_s> rlameiro: I totally disagree. Bugger the current audience. Figure out who the audience is, and listen to them. [03:02] <troy_s> rlameiro: The audience that is deemed fitting. Not the current. [03:08] <scott_> if we are talking about minimizing scope, I think that should include the audio apps as well, clean out some cruft that no one uses [03:11] <troy_s> rlameiro: Which is why I was fond of say, University audio labs - you might be able to get one and test like hell. Or an independent band to test and work with. Approach them. [03:20] <troy_s> rlameiro: As a masters in music, you should have university connections. If you can get lab space, that's a win. There's the start of a very useful audience. [03:21] <troy_s> rlameiro: There is a good chance that some of the diligent folks in here could see some sort of monetary reward via support contracts. [03:55] persia, another argument to downsize the project scope is losing a tech lead [03:57] That said, I'd accept downsizing the project because we have a less capable tech lead, but we need a tech lead. [03:57] And although I know in advance I don't have time to do it, I'm very much up for advising someone. [03:58] I think you should offer meta packages for people that want to fiddle with such focused programs you decide to cut from the scope [10:40] But I must agree with Troy, uS needs to focus. [10:40] Audio only... sounds scary, but might be the thing. [10:41] If uS cannot offer any value to the graphics or video side, then they must go. [10:42] On the other hand, if uS is to let go the 'pro' audience, then does it matter if those areas are still represented? [10:49] astraljava: The issue is that were struggling for good application suites for video/graphics. [11:00] Seed maintenance is trivial, and comes down to the "if someone cares" model. If someone cares, then we can have a seed and a task. [11:01] It's meaninglessly easy to have that included on the DVD. [11:01] persia: I think so. [11:02] persia: Labels, and the groups of artists we want to market our product. [11:04] Sure. Audience. If there exists a set of video/graphics artists who find ubuntustudio useful, and there is a common set of tools that meet their needs, then it can be supplied. [11:04] The trick is identification of that set of folks and that common set of tools. [11:04] And assuring that there is overlap between that group and the set of folks willing to do testing, etc.

Website

[23:17] in any case I'd reccomend using wordpress if possible. It's a great way to collaborate with other maintainers with limited to no knowledge of HTML code but also just as easy for php gurus to code for. You can get some amazing plugins that will provide you with out of the box SEO advantages, not that you need that specifically for your project as you're under the wing of ubuntu but using a sitemap plugin you can help google [23:17] index content of all pages properly and return more relevant results to the user. [23:17] drupal I found confusing for both developers and end users [23:18] workflows, I think it's important to document from basic to more advanced methods for creation that you'd find in a similar windows or OS X environment [23:19] if you give a few good examples for specific programs, you can get users to begin contributing articles of ~equal value [23:20] the website itself doesn't seem to highlight the key features that ubuntu studio offers, it says "download, install, create" but doesn't really elaborate on the create, there is audio, graphics and video listed below... but they don't really clarify either [23:21] you don't even need to start off with videos made by ubuntu studio dev team, you can find tutorials on youtube/vimeo that will assist new users in getting aquainted [23:22] you may want to create a filtration system for incoming users based on their expertise and direct them to proper resources to get started [23:22] even as an experience ubuntu user I felt lost on a fresh install [23:23] the overall look of the website does not make ubuntu studio appear to be serious but rather hint at what is ahead (this is not a compliment). You need to begin building trust with your future users from the first second they arrive at your site [23:25] 'logo' in the top right, the logo having little to no contrast as it overlays the menu, no hover effects on the menu, too much information below the fold and only 1 call to action, "download now" [23:25] I haven't read a clear mission statment either [23:25] the closest thing is a blurb next to download no but that doesn't give me the confidence I'd expect as a user. [23:25] "too much informatio below the fold" has bothered me considerably as well [23:26] you want to be flashy, hip and productive in the process [23:26] you can condense a lot of information with a slider or a similar javascript widget [23:26] unless you have qualms about using javascript (with 99% of users having it turned on, you shouldn't) [23:26] the people turning it off either have a good reason or they are paranoid nerds [23:27] Think of the questions a user might ask when arriving to your site [23:27] i really had not considered that wordpress was CMS, but rather just for blogs [23:27] "Where am I? What is this? How can I benefit? What should I check out next?" [23:28] it's a very flexible system that was first built for bloggers but it's most definitely a CMS and one I've been recommending and using for the greater time of the last half year [23:30] your front page doesn't have to be a blog and wordpress is very keen to helping you change it to a static page and redirect it to another page [23:31] their documentation is pretty solid, they provided (default) user roles (levels) and there are plugins to extend them. [23:31] again the available plugins are quite impressive and I can advise you on a handful to kick it off with. [23:32] My only complaint is that many of the themes are created by amatures hacking together HTML and CSS/JS from other templates so the markup could be more sound out of the box but this is a view level issue that can easily be solved by creating a template from scratch (which isn't as daunting a task as it sounds) [23:39] areas in which most help would be appreciated are 1) website design / slicing into WP template 2) Creating copy 3) Collecting content [23:40] You'll also want to start building a team of website maintainers if you do not have one already. [23:40] by this I mean updating content, writing news, interacting with social media sites [23:40] with wordpress, we can tie into social networks like facebook and twitter to automaticall post to these sites [23:42] being the #2 most popular websites on the internet it's iimportant to have good representation on facebook, especially given that some users in your target audience would never even consider going to the website to check for updates, let alone subscribing to RSS or twitter feeds [23:44] have social media integration was a important consideration to many who voiced opinions [23:44] yes but you need a team to be active on them [00:43] well, what i would love ist to forward articles from blogs that mention ubuntustudio, i would love that [00:44] <troy_s> rlameiro: With regards to the overall showing how 'alive' Ubuntu Studio is (arguably a pretty compelling factor to a casual audience member) I think it is a pretty astute point. [00:44] Can we all just agree that once there is a plan for a website, whoever accepts responsibility to ensure the website is in good condition gets to select the tools used to drive the website? [00:45] <TheMuso> persia: Yeah I agree [00:48] <troy_s> detrate: The website is clearly important. I'm not disagreeing with you. But when you suggest that 'people who want to help the project grow', that's a HUGE selection of people there. And each one has a pretty significant role. [00:49] <troy_s> rlameiro: Agree. The issue I see though is that all the development in the world isn't going to provide salvation if the tools aren't uptaken by the proper audience and demonstrated to be effective. It's a strange cyclical issue here. [00:51] <troy_s> detrate: I guess I'd start by suggesting what is the core goal of the project. [00:51] <troy_s> If the core goal is to provide a service, what is it? To whom? [00:51] <troy_s> And likely the answer to that important question, is precisely who the audience for the primary website touch point is. [00:54] i would suggest the website is the nexus for users, it should include news, updates, links to tutorials, user work [00:54] user work = music, videos, graphics [00:55] polling would be nice to involve the user base so they can be involved in development [00:55] what social media to have? [00:55] there are some great plugins for polls, some medicore free ones for surveys [00:55] place for suggestions would also be nice [00:56] all the social media as well [00:56] <troy_s> rlameiro: I think that that would be a HELLUVA good choice at this critical time for Ubuntu Studio. [00:56] <troy_s> rlameiro: Damn good choice. Because otherwise it could end up with a LOT of energy that yields no dividends. Or worse, a lot of energy that gets trumped by the next 'why' (however poorly explained) to come along. [00:56] detrate, is it possible to parse the identica and tweeter streams to search for ubuntustudio tags? [00:57] yes [00:57] and digg [00:57] and google blogs [00:57] yes, place for developer blogs and well as an aggregator for user blogs that center around Studio [00:57] I want to give you a stronger foundation to evolve from [01:09] the news section needs to have RSS so users can subsribe to get new news [02:36] an updated website with a newbie "course" or introduction would be great...big red button "Learn about Ubuntu Studio" or similar [04:33] also gathering a list of recommended hardware would be nice if one doesn't already exist

New Website Vision

Introduction

The current website is a bottleneck in getting people interested and involved in Ubuntu Studio. I propose redesigning the website on the wordpress platform to be more connected with social networks, inform more users and inspire new minds.

Requirements

Web Designer (I can slice / make wordpress template if need)
New Content, (Better Copy, Tutorial / Demonstration Videos, Better / More screenshots, Better overview of what's offered, better idea of what is needed)
A Team that can keep the website up-to-date and monitor twitter / facebook, encourage people to follow and join

detrate offers

Building the inital site in wordpress all set up for SEO, social network integration and advice on how to layout content, promote the site.

Ubuntu Studio - Core Issues

Project Goals

provide a flavor of Ubuntu (meaning we must working within the Ubuntu/Canonical ethos/environment)
provide multimedia software to an audience primarily audio centric applications include supporting graphic/video applications
expand the user base
expand the developer base
primarily audio centric applications
include supporting graphic/video applications

Audience

Music focused, do-it-yourself type person who either is dedicated enough or experienced enough to use Linux and setup audio for their hardware. The archetype would be indie band or musician, university music major, home recording enthusiast, or even DJs. (could podcast creators be included?)

Why this Audience?

until Ubuntu Studio is actually used in recording studios it's not "professional" - and let's be honest, the base system not as assessable as Pro Tools or Garage Band on a Mac
the "whiny kid in their bedroom with daddy's computer" is probably not dedicated enough to learn Linux, learn Ubuntu (Studio), and then learn JACK
graphic/video applications not a focus because they are either lacking in quantity or quality
indie musician/home enthusiasts/university music student probably would be curious/devoted enough to invest the time to setup their system
university music student would also be curious/have the time/need a research project and might help out with developer activities

Audience Requirements

The defined audience above would require a strong audio distribution, probably requiring:

a robust DAW for multitracking (Ardour)
a less robust sound editor for quick edits (Audacity)
low latency kernel (-rt, -lowlatency, or -preempt kernel)
low latency sound server (JACK)
software effects (LADSPA, LV2)
drum machine (Hydrogen)
tone generator (?)
sequencer (seq24, Muse, Rosegarden)
DJ apps (Mixxx, TerminatorX)
podcasting ? (icecast)

Additionally, the semi-professional musician/band/dj would require some minimal video or graphical support:

flyer creation (Inkskape)
low production video creation (PiTiVi, Open Shot?)

low production video creation (PiTiVi, Open Shot?)

Mission Statement

Providing an audio-centric multimedia operating system to the dedicated semi-professional musician, home recording enthusiast, university music student, or DJ.

Video Editing Reviews

Kino

Kino is a video editing application targeted to the same audience as iMovie, the home user who would like to edit their home movies. It is meant to be as simple as possible to use, using a vertical storyboard layout approach. Video is imported as clips, in the form of tiles or frames of a storyboard, that are then arranged into the desired order and then trimmed. Effects such as transitions and video overlay effects and filters can be easily.

Benefits

Can do all basic editing functions. Trim video Can select instances of clips ans insert them Can do effects and transitions
Kino has a very clean, simple to use interface. All main functions of program are listed on right-hand side.
Can export an EDL (editing decision list) for on-line editing.
Can handle many video formats (must be converted to DV first)
Supports the ability capture and encode video from Firewire enabled cameras
Is a single window program (could be moot).
Trim video
Can select instances of clips ans insert them
Can do effects and transitions
All main functions of program are listed on right-hand side.

Limitations

Is a single track editing program
Not a very powerful platform for larger productions Does not use OpenGL for rendering, puts increased load on CPU
Lacks an effective way to organize large amounts of video files
Lacks effective project management functions.
Does not use OpenGL for rendering, puts increased load on CPU

Conclusion

Kino addresses it's target audience, the home user, very well but is not suitable for a professional production environment. As such, it would be unlikely to include Kino in Ubuntu Studio by default.

Seeds Update

This is the process to update Ubuntu Studio to move away from a single -audio metapackage/task to more distinct packages to separate between tone generation and recording real instruments.

audio The current audio seeds file will need to be removed from the seeds. Additionally, reference to audio will need to be removed from the STRUCTURE file.

Furthermore, we will need to moderate the /debian/control file for ubuntustudio-meta to label ubuntustudio-audio as a transitional package and make it depend ONLY on ubuntustudio-generation and ubuntustudio-recording. The file will not build but if a user tries to install it then it will pull in ubuntustudio-generation and ubuntustudio-recording, which effectively performs as before, albeit with additional and new package names.

Finally, the audio seed will need to be removed from the ubuntustudio-meta update.cfg file.

audio-common, generation, and recording The following new seeds files will also be create: audio-common, generation, and recording. Only generation and recording will also be tasks, and therefore have the task header in their seeds file.

The generation and recording seeds will be added to the STRUCTURE file with the audio-common seeds being necessary or required for each of them.

Additionally, all three will need to be added to the ubuntustudio-meta /debian/control file. The ubuntustudio-generation and ubuntustudio-recording entries will need to Depend: audio-common. Note, ubuntustudio-audio-common will be required as a package if a user installs ubuntustudio-generation or ubuntustudio-recording.

Lastly, audio-common, generation, and recording will need to be added to the ubuntustudio-meta update.cfg file. It is assumed that updating to the current release is automatic.

Preparation

launchpad account
DSA ssh registered in Launchpad (ssh-keygen -t dsa, look for ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub, Import SSH key in Launchpad)
sudo apt-get install: bzr debootstrap germinate devscripts #FOR DEBUILD build-essential #DIFF debhelper
bzr whoami 'Scott Lavender <scottalavender@gmail.com>'
bzr launchpad-login slavender
bzr
debootstrap
germinate
devscripts #FOR DEBUILD
build-essential #DIFF
debhelper

bzr whoami 'Scott Lavender <scottalavender@gmail.com>'

Modifying Seeds

Get Code

mkdir bzr && cd bzr
mkdir nattyseeds && cd nattyseeds
bzr branch lp:~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.natty

mkdir bzr && cd bzr

mkdir nattyseeds && cd nattyseeds

Change Seeds

create new seeds including task headers audio-common recording generation
modify existing seeds audio-plugins - Task-Description: LADSPA, LV2, and DSSI audio plugins (added LV2) graphics - update per UbuntuStudio/PackageSelectionDevelopment video - update per UbuntuStudio/PackageSelectionDevelopment
update STRUCTURE file add audio-common: desktop generation: audio-common recording: audio-common remove audio: desktop
audio-common
recording
generation
audio-plugins - Task-Description: LADSPA, LV2, and DSSI audio plugins (added LV2)
graphics - update per UbuntuStudio/PackageSelectionDevelopment
video - update per UbuntuStudio/PackageSelectionDevelopment

graphics - update per UbuntuStudio/PackageSelectionDevelopment

video - update per UbuntuStudio/PackageSelectionDevelopment

add audio-common: desktop generation: audio-common recording: audio-common
remove audio: desktop
audio-common: desktop
generation: audio-common
recording: audio-common
audio: desktop

Update Bzr

bzr add
bzr remove ubuntustudio-audio #VERIFY
bzr diff #LOOK AT DIFFS FOR SANITY CHECK
bzr commit -m "USEFUL COMMIT MESSAGE"
bzr push lp:~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.natt

Update ubuntustudio-meta

Get Source

cd /bzr
mkdir us-meta && cd usmeta
apt-get source ubuntustudio-meta

mkdir us-meta && cd usmeta

Update /debian/control

moderate ubuntustudio-audio package to be transitional package remove Depends: ${germinate:Depends}, ${misc:Depends} remove Recommends: ${germinate:Recommends} add Depends: ubuntustudio-generation ubuntustudio-recording edit description to say "Transition package"
ubuntustudio-generation/ubuntustudio-recording same as previous ubuntustudio-audio moderate description for separate audio purposes
remove Depends: ${germinate:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}
remove Recommends: ${germinate:Recommends}
add Depends: ubuntustudio-generation ubuntustudio-recording
edit description to say "Transition package"
same as previous ubuntustudio-audio
moderate description for separate audio purposes

Modify update.cfg

moderate version, i.e. replace maverick with natty
remove audio
add audio-common, generation, recording

./update

move to ubuntustudio-meta-0.* directory
run ./update
--wait long time--
verify /debian/changelog after ./update is done is release correct? everything else look sane?
debuild -S -us -uc
debdiff
attach debdiff to bug
subscribe persia to bug
give persia bug number in IRC
is release correct?
everything else look sane?

Limit List

email Colin Watson add generation add recording remove audio
add generation
add recording
remove audio

update menu entries for: zynjacku lv2rack guitarix lashd (?) qtractor specimen yoshimi whysynth
zynjacku
lv2rack
guitarix
lashd (?)
qtractor
specimen
yoshimi
whysynth

package size testing

in moving to xfce we have found that some xfce applications do not quite provide the same level of functionality that some gnome applications have. in other cases we have just admitted a preference for some gnome applications. in yet other cases, some desire has been expressed for kde applications. this section will explore these applications in an attempt to quantify some characterstics that will help determine which application we should use by default.

unless noted otherwise, all results were tested and generated on a development xubuntu 12.04 (daily imaged downloaded 2012-01-15) install.

file manager

since the test machine is a xubuntu install, only the impact of installing 'nautilus' can be evaulated at this time.

nautilus

first testing how big a 'nautilus' install is on the xubuntu system.

scott@precise-dev:~$ sudo apt-get install nautilus

[sudo] password for scott: 

Reading package lists... Done

Building dependency tree       

Reading state information... Done

The following extra packages will be installed:

  brasero brasero-cdrkit brasero-common dvd+rw-tools gnome-desktop3-data

  growisofs hwdata libbrasero-media3-1 libexempi3 libglib2.0-data

  libgmime-2.4-2 libgnome-desktop-3-2 libquvi0 libtotem-plparser17 wodim

Suggested packages:

  vcdimager libdvdcss2 dvdauthor readom cdrskin gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3

  gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly cdrdao eog gnome-sushi

  cdrkit-doc

The following NEW packages will be installed:

  brasero brasero-cdrkit brasero-common dvd+rw-tools gnome-desktop3-data

  growisofs hwdata libbrasero-media3-1 libexempi3 libglib2.0-data

  libgmime-2.4-2 libgnome-desktop-3-2 libquvi0 libtotem-plparser17 nautilus

  wodim

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note that this will install 'brasero' by default.

disc burner

now evaluating disc burners. ideally this is between 'brasero' and 'k3b', with extremely favourable feedback for 'k3b' even though 'brasero' has been the default in ubuntu studio for some time.

brasero

next we see how 'brasero' installs.

scott@precise-dev:~$ sudo apt-get install brasero

Reading package lists... Done

Building dependency tree       

Reading state information... Done

The following extra packages will be installed:

  brasero-cdrkit brasero-common dvd+rw-tools growisofs libbrasero-media3-1

  libgmime-2.4-2 libquvi0 libtotem-plparser17 wodim

Suggested packages:

  vcdimager libdvdcss2 dvdauthor readom cdrskin gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3

  gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly cdrdao cdrkit-doc

The following NEW packages will be installed:

  brasero brasero-cdrkit brasero-common dvd+rw-tools growisofs

  libbrasero-media3-1 libgmime-2.4-2 libquvi0 libtotem-plparser17 wodim

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it appears that all of these packages are installed with 'nautilus' as well. therefore if 'nautilus' is chosen over 'thunar', then we essentially get 'brasero' "for free".

k3b

some have suggested we choose 'k3b' over 'brasero'. it will be interesting to see how big the kde package set is on the xubuntu install.

scott@precise-dev:~$ sudo apt-get install k3b

Reading package lists... Done

Building dependency tree       

Reading state information... Done

The following extra packages will be installed:

  cdparanoia cdrdao docbook-xsl dvd+rw-tools growisofs icoutils k3b-data

  kate-data katepart kde-runtime kde-runtime-data kdelibs-bin kdelibs5-data

  kdelibs5-plugins kdoctools kubuntu-debug-installer libattica0.3 libaudio2

  libcanberra-pulse libclucene0ldbl libdbusmenu-qt2 libdiscid0

  libdlrestrictions1 libflac++6 libgif4 libiodbc2 libk3b6

  libkatepartinterfaces4 libkcddb4 libkcmutils4 libkde3support4

  libkdeclarative5 libkdecore5 libkdesu5 libkdeui5 libkdewebkit5 libkdnssd4

  libkemoticons4 libkfile4 libkhtml5 libkidletime4 libkio5 libkjsapi4

  libkjsembed4 libkmediaplayer4 libknewstuff3-4 libknotifyconfig4 libkntlm4

  libkparts4 libkpty4 libkrosscore4 libktexteditor4 libmpcdec6

  libmusicbrainz3-6 libmysqlclient18 libneon27-gnutls libnepomuk4

  libnepomukquery4a libnepomukutils4 libntrack-qt4-1 libntrack0 libphonon4

  libplasma3 libpolkit-qt-1-1 libqapt-runtime libqapt1 libqca2 libqt4-dbus

  libqt4-declarative libqt4-designer libqt4-network libqt4-opengl

  libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg

  libqt4-xml libqt4-xmlpatterns libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libqtwebkit4 libsolid4

  libsoprano4 libssh-4 libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libthreadweaver4

  libvirtodbc0 libxml2-utils mysql-common ntrack-module-libnl-0 odbcinst

  odbcinst1debian2 oxygen-icon-theme phonon phonon-backend-gstreamer

  plasma-scriptengine-javascript qapt-batch qdbus shared-desktop-ontologies

  soprano-daemon virtuoso-minimal virtuoso-opensource-6.1-bin

  virtuoso-opensource-6.1-common wodim

Suggested packages:

  docbook-xsl-doc-html docbook-xsl-doc-pdf docbook-xsl-doc-text

  docbook-xsl-doc libsaxon-java libxalan2-java libxslthl-java

  docbook-xsl-saxon fop xalan dbtoepub cdrskin libterm-readline-gnu-perl

  libterm-readline-perl-perl k3b-extrathemes normalize-audio sox movixmaker-2

  libk3b6-extracodecs vcdimager djvulibre-bin finger nas hspell

  libqca2-plugin-cyrus-sasl libqca2-plugin-gnupg libqca2-plugin-ossl

  libqt4-declarative-folderlistmodel libqt4-declarative-gestures

  libqt4-declarative-particles libqt4-declarative-shaders qt4-qmlviewer

  libqt4-dev qt4-qtconfig phonon-backend-vlc phonon-backend-xine

  phonon-backend-mplayer gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly cdrkit-doc

The following NEW packages will be installed:

  cdparanoia cdrdao docbook-xsl dvd+rw-tools growisofs icoutils k3b k3b-data

  kate-data katepart kde-runtime kde-runtime-data kdelibs-bin kdelibs5-data

  kdelibs5-plugins kdoctools kubuntu-debug-installer libattica0.3 libaudio2

  libcanberra-pulse libclucene0ldbl libdbusmenu-qt2 libdiscid0

  libdlrestrictions1 libflac++6 libgif4 libiodbc2 libk3b6

  libkatepartinterfaces4 libkcddb4 libkcmutils4 libkde3support4

  libkdeclarative5 libkdecore5 libkdesu5 libkdeui5 libkdewebkit5 libkdnssd4

  libkemoticons4 libkfile4 libkhtml5 libkidletime4 libkio5 libkjsapi4

  libkjsembed4 libkmediaplayer4 libknewstuff3-4 libknotifyconfig4 libkntlm4

  libkparts4 libkpty4 libkrosscore4 libktexteditor4 libmpcdec6

  libmusicbrainz3-6 libmysqlclient18 libneon27-gnutls libnepomuk4

  libnepomukquery4a libnepomukutils4 libntrack-qt4-1 libntrack0 libphonon4

  libplasma3 libpolkit-qt-1-1 libqapt-runtime libqapt1 libqca2 libqt4-dbus

  libqt4-declarative libqt4-designer libqt4-network libqt4-opengl

  libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg

  libqt4-xml libqt4-xmlpatterns libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libqtwebkit4 libsolid4

  libsoprano4 libssh-4 libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libthreadweaver4

  libvirtodbc0 libxml2-utils mysql-common ntrack-module-libnl-0 odbcinst

  odbcinst1debian2 oxygen-icon-theme phonon phonon-backend-gstreamer

  plasma-scriptengine-javascript qapt-batch qdbus shared-desktop-ontologies

  soprano-daemon virtuoso-minimal virtuoso-opensource-6.1-bin

  virtuoso-opensource-6.1-common wodim

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wow. even though this was not unexpected this is still quite surprising.

video editor

kdenlive

'kdenlive' is another kde package that has been asked for to replace either 'openshot' or 'blender' as a video editor.

scott@precise-dev:~$ sudo apt-get install kdenlive

Reading package lists... Done

Building dependency tree       

Reading state information... Done

The following extra packages will be installed:

  docbook-xsl dvdauthor dvgrab ffmpeg frei0r-plugins icoutils

  imagemagick-common kate-data katepart kde-runtime kde-runtime-data

  kdelibs-bin kdelibs5-data kdelibs5-plugins kdenlive-data kdoctools

  kubuntu-debug-installer libattica0.3 libaudio2 libavcodec53 libavdevice53

  libavfilter2 libavformat53 libavutil51 libblas3gf libcanberra-pulse

  libclucene0ldbl libcv2.1 libcvaux2.1 libdbusmenu-qt2 libdc1394-22

  libdlrestrictions1 libdvdnav4 libdvdread4 libfaad2 libfftw3-3 libgavl1

  libgfortran3 libgif4 libgsm1 libhighgui2.1 libiodbc2 libkatepartinterfaces4

  libkcmutils4 libkde3support4 libkdeclarative5 libkdecore5 libkdesu5

  libkdeui5 libkdewebkit5 libkdnssd4 libkemoticons4 libkfile4 libkhtml5

  libkidletime4 libkio5 libkjsapi4 libkjsembed4 libkmediaplayer4

  libknewstuff3-4 libknotifyconfig4 libkntlm4 libkparts4 libkpty4

  libkrosscore4 libktexteditor4 liblapack3gf liblqr-1-0 libmagickcore4

  libmlt++3 libmlt-data libmlt4 libmp3lame0 libmysqlclient18 libnepomuk4

  libnepomukquery4a libnepomukutils4 libntrack-qt4-1 libntrack0

  libopencore-amrnb0 libopencore-amrwb0 libphonon4 libplasma3 libpolkit-qt-1-1

  libpostproc52 libqapt-runtime libqapt1 libqca2 libqjson0 libqt4-dbus

  libqt4-declarative libqt4-designer libqt4-network libqt4-opengl

  libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg

  libqt4-xml libqt4-xmlpatterns libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libqtwebkit4

  libquicktime2 libschroedinger-1.0-0 libsdl1.2debian libsolid4 libsoprano4

  libsox-fmt-alsa libsox-fmt-base libsox1b libssh-4 libstreamanalyzer0

  libstreams0 libswscale2 libthreadweaver4 libva1 libvirtodbc0 libvpx0

  libx264-118 libxml2-utils melt mysql-common ntrack-module-libnl-0 odbcinst

  odbcinst1debian2 oxygen-icon-theme phonon phonon-backend-gstreamer

  plasma-scriptengine-javascript qapt-batch qdbus recordmydesktop

  shared-desktop-ontologies soprano-daemon swh-plugins virtuoso-minimal

  virtuoso-opensource-6.1-bin virtuoso-opensource-6.1-common

Suggested packages:

  docbook-xsl-doc-html docbook-xsl-doc-pdf docbook-xsl-doc-text

  docbook-xsl-doc libsaxon-java libxalan2-java libxslthl-java

  docbook-xsl-saxon fop xalan dbtoepub libterm-readline-gnu-perl

  libterm-readline-perl-perl djvulibre-bin finger nas libdvdcss2 debhelper

  libfftw3-dev hspell libmagickcore4-extra libqca2-plugin-cyrus-sasl

  libqca2-plugin-gnupg libqca2-plugin-ossl libqt4-declarative-folderlistmodel

  libqt4-declarative-gestures libqt4-declarative-particles

  libqt4-declarative-shaders qt4-qmlviewer libqt4-dev qt4-qtconfig

  libsox-fmt-all phonon-backend-vlc phonon-backend-xine phonon-backend-mplayer

  gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly

The following NEW packages will be installed:

  docbook-xsl dvdauthor dvgrab ffmpeg frei0r-plugins icoutils

  imagemagick-common kate-data katepart kde-runtime kde-runtime-data

  kdelibs-bin kdelibs5-data kdelibs5-plugins kdenlive kdenlive-data kdoctools

  kubuntu-debug-installer libattica0.3 libaudio2 libavcodec53 libavdevice53

  libavfilter2 libavformat53 libavutil51 libblas3gf libcanberra-pulse

  libclucene0ldbl libcv2.1 libcvaux2.1 libdbusmenu-qt2 libdc1394-22

  libdlrestrictions1 libdvdnav4 libdvdread4 libfaad2 libfftw3-3 libgavl1

  libgfortran3 libgif4 libgsm1 libhighgui2.1 libiodbc2 libkatepartinterfaces4

  libkcmutils4 libkde3support4 libkdeclarative5 libkdecore5 libkdesu5

  libkdeui5 libkdewebkit5 libkdnssd4 libkemoticons4 libkfile4 libkhtml5

  libkidletime4 libkio5 libkjsapi4 libkjsembed4 libkmediaplayer4

  libknewstuff3-4 libknotifyconfig4 libkntlm4 libkparts4 libkpty4

  libkrosscore4 libktexteditor4 liblapack3gf liblqr-1-0 libmagickcore4

  libmlt++3 libmlt-data libmlt4 libmp3lame0 libmysqlclient18 libnepomuk4

  libnepomukquery4a libnepomukutils4 libntrack-qt4-1 libntrack0

  libopencore-amrnb0 libopencore-amrwb0 libphonon4 libplasma3 libpolkit-qt-1-1

  libpostproc52 libqapt-runtime libqapt1 libqca2 libqjson0 libqt4-dbus

  libqt4-declarative libqt4-designer libqt4-network libqt4-opengl

  libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg

  libqt4-xml libqt4-xmlpatterns libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libqtwebkit4

  libquicktime2 libschroedinger-1.0-0 libsdl1.2debian libsolid4 libsoprano4

  libsox-fmt-alsa libsox-fmt-base libsox1b libssh-4 libstreamanalyzer0

  libstreams0 libswscale2 libthreadweaver4 libva1 libvirtodbc0 libvpx0

  libx264-118 libxml2-utils melt mysql-common ntrack-module-libnl-0 odbcinst

  odbcinst1debian2 oxygen-icon-theme phonon phonon-backend-gstreamer

  plasma-scriptengine-javascript qapt-batch qdbus recordmydesktop

  shared-desktop-ontologies soprano-daemon swh-plugins virtuoso-minimal

  virtuoso-opensource-6.1-bin virtuoso-opensource-6.1-common

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wow, again.

openshot

let's see about 'openshot'.

scott@precise-dev:~$ sudo apt-get install openshot

Reading package lists... Done

Building dependency tree       

Reading state information... Done

The following extra packages will be installed:

  frei0r-plugins libaudio2 libavcodec53 libavdevice53 libavformat53

  libavutil51 libblas3gf libcv2.1 libcvaux2.1 libdc1394-22 libfaad2 libgavl1

  libgfortran3 libgoocanvas-common libgoocanvas3 libgsm1 libhighgui2.1

  liblapack3gf libmlt++3 libmlt-data libmlt4 libmp3lame0 libmysqlclient18

  libopencore-amrnb0 libopencore-amrwb0 libqt4-dbus libqt4-declarative

  libqt4-network libqt4-script libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg

  libqt4-xml libqt4-xmlpatterns libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libquicktime2

  libschroedinger-1.0-0 libsdl1.2debian libsox-fmt-alsa libsox-fmt-base

  libsox1b libswscale2 libva1 libvpx0 libx264-118 melt mysql-common

  openshot-doc python-mlt3 python-pygoocanvas python-support qdbus

Suggested packages:

  nas libqt4-declarative-folderlistmodel libqt4-declarative-gestures

  libqt4-declarative-particles libqt4-declarative-shaders qt4-qmlviewer

  libqt4-dev qt4-qtconfig libsox-fmt-all blender inkscape

The following NEW packages will be installed:

  frei0r-plugins libaudio2 libavcodec53 libavdevice53 libavformat53

  libavutil51 libblas3gf libcv2.1 libcvaux2.1 libdc1394-22 libfaad2 libgavl1

  libgfortran3 libgoocanvas-common libgoocanvas3 libgsm1 libhighgui2.1

  liblapack3gf libmlt++3 libmlt-data libmlt4 libmp3lame0 libmysqlclient18

  libopencore-amrnb0 libopencore-amrwb0 libqt4-dbus libqt4-declarative

  libqt4-network libqt4-script libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg

  libqt4-xml libqt4-xmlpatterns libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libquicktime2

  libschroedinger-1.0-0 libsdl1.2debian libsox-fmt-alsa libsox-fmt-base

  libsox1b libswscale2 libva1 libvpx0 libx264-118 melt mysql-common openshot

  openshot-doc python-mlt3 python-pygoocanvas python-support qdbus

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defintely not as bad as kdenlive.

blender

this might be curious.

scott@precise-dev:~$ sudo apt-get install blender

Reading package lists... Done

Building dependency tree       

Reading state information... Done

The following extra packages will be installed:

  libavcodec53 libavdevice53 libavformat53 libavutil51 libdc1394-22 libfftw3-3

  libglew1.6 libgsm1 libopenal-data libopenal1 libopenjpeg2 libpython3.2

  libschroedinger-1.0-0 libsdl1.2debian libswscale2 libva1 libvpx0 ttf-dejavu

  ttf-dejavu-extra

Suggested packages:

  yafaray libfftw3-dev glew-utils

The following NEW packages will be installed:

  blender libavcodec53 libavdevice53 libavformat53 libavutil51 libdc1394-22

  libfftw3-3 libglew1.6 libgsm1 libopenal-data libopenal1 libopenjpeg2

  libpython3.2 libschroedinger-1.0-0 libsdl1.2debian libswscale2 libva1

  libvpx0 ttf-dejavu ttf-dejavu-extra

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summary


Application Type	Application Name	# New Packages	Size of Install
File Manager	nautilus	16	14.0 MB
Disc Burner	brasero	10	7.7 MB
k3b	107	242 MB
Video Editor	kdenlive	141	313 MB
openshot	54	155 MB
blender	20	72.3 MB

Application Installation Comparison (on Xubuntu 12.04 daily installation)

Application Type

Application Name

# New Packages

Size of Install

File Manager

nautilus

14.0 MB

Disc Burner

brasero

7.7 MB

k3b

107

242 MB

Video Editor

kdenlive

141

313 MB

openshot

155 MB

blender

72.3 MB

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UbuntuStudio/Sandbox (last edited 2012-01-18 03:38:02 by lfkn-adsl-dhcp-64-92-16-215)