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2010May16

Ubuntu Studio Meetings Schedule

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  1. Agenda
  2. Minutes

Agenda

  • Begin Meeting Call to order in #ubuntustudio-devel at 7pm (19:00) UTC May 16 2010 Note attendees

  • Agenda amendments

  • LV2 Packaging: continue LV2 packaging plan - UbuntuStudio/TaskLV2Inclusion might focus on getting these into Debian first quadrispro has already commented he wanted to do the vocoder, perhaps he can help with others any others with packaging experience and want to help? can Debian Multimedia Team also help?

  • JACK2 / Pulse Audio Integration: this is looking good already because JACK2 is in Debian already (per TheMuso on IRC) TheMuso is apparently tracking this crimsun, TheMuso, and persia have talked on IRC about how to proceed and might discuss this at UDS with Free

  • Network Manager user's troubles was a bug in gnome-network-admin that left options not shown or changeable Ricardo (rlameiro) reported it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/570828 how soon can a fix be expected for users? Is it possible to do a ISO re-spin, if the bug is corrected? however, we still might consider testing NetworkManager again whatever the decision going forward, we should document it and post to the -user mailing list

  • Ubuntu Studio Controls Update and Redesign update ubuntustudio-controls for rtpri and memlock settings JACK now handles rtpri and memlock in /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf see http://linuxaudio.org/mailarchive/lau/2010/3/5/166428 for background Ricardo (rlameiro) is proposing a redesign of ubuntustudio-controls see UbuntuStudio/ControlsRedesign rtirq script for avoid irq conflicts (especially for firewire) enable Ubuntu Studio PPA for -rt kernels and "backported" applications install -lowlatency/-preempt/-rt kernel from PPA install ubuntu-restricted-extras user in audio group (perhaps check box to add and remove) remove nice setting? see: http://www.pubbs.net/201003/linuxaudio/10007-re-lau-changing-for-editing-etcsecuritylimitsconf-in-debiantesting-ubuntu-lucid.html is there anything else someone probably does routinely to a Ubuntu Studio install that we could incorporate?

  • Ubuntu Studio Applications Backporting discussion between John Dong and myself after Jussi poked me: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2010-May/002364.html John suggested using "official" Ubuntu Studio backporting PPA because: it's like kubuntu it allows us to maintain control it doesn't overload the already overworked backports team provides proving grounds that backported apps have quality then can be included in official Ubuntu backports repository if we don't want to use Ubuntu Studio backports PPA then we need small group to test and provide vocal feedback in backport bugs

  • Update Website good summary of previous discussion at UbuntuStudio/Sandbox#Notes%20from%20IRC%20Logs a good direction appears to be using Word Press detrate is really engaged with this task, we should focus on supporting him you can find the available information at UbuntuStudio/TaskWebRevamp

  • Reduce Delta Between Ubuntu Studio and Debian information about this can be found at: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/ubuntustudio.html push patches back to Debian Multimedia where applicable for the local changes this would reduce work for Ubuntu Studio team because hopefully the packages will autosync in future releases see: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/ubuntustudio.html#sameversionbutlocalinB see: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/ubuntustudio.html#outdatedandlocalinB this will also hopefully increase and improve our relationship with the Debian Multimedia Team (note: quadrispro is a member)

  • Testing Procedures in order to help (and encourage) our users to test we should develop testing procedures since stochastic is lead of ubuntustudio-testers group can he help develop procedures ScottL offers to assist develop the procedures and document it on help.ubuntu.com

  • Ubuntu Studio Documentation establish uses for help.ubuntu.com vs. wiki.ubuntu.com suggested direction: help.ubuntu.com is community facing documentation wiki.ubuntu.com is for developers and contributors to organize for release document this decision and email users

  • Call to order in #ubuntustudio-devel at 7pm (19:00) UTC May 16 2010

  • Note attendees

Call to order in #ubuntustudio-devel at 7pm (19:00) UTC May 16 2010

  • continue LV2 packaging plan - UbuntuStudio/TaskLV2Inclusion
  • might focus on getting these into Debian first
  • quadrispro has already commented he wanted to do the vocoder, perhaps he can help with others
  • any others with packaging experience and want to help?
  • can Debian Multimedia Team also help?

continue LV2 packaging plan - UbuntuStudio/TaskLV2Inclusion

  • this is looking good already because JACK2 is in Debian already (per TheMuso on IRC)
  • TheMuso is apparently tracking this
  • crimsun, TheMuso, and persia have talked on IRC about how to proceed and might discuss this at UDS with Free

this is looking good already because JACK2 is in Debian already (per TheMuso on IRC)

TheMuso is apparently tracking this

crimsun, TheMuso, and persia have talked on IRC about how to proceed and might discuss this at UDS with Free

  • user's troubles was a bug in gnome-network-admin that left options not shown or changeable
  • Ricardo (rlameiro) reported it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/570828
  • how soon can a fix be expected for users?
  • Is it possible to do a ISO re-spin, if the bug is corrected? however, we still might consider testing NetworkManager again whatever the decision going forward, we should document it and post to the -user mailing list

Ricardo (rlameiro) reported it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/570828

  • however, we still might consider testing NetworkManager again
  • whatever the decision going forward, we should document it and post to the -user mailing list

however, we still might consider testing NetworkManager again

see http://linuxaudio.org/mailarchive/lau/2010/3/5/166428 for background

see UbuntuStudio/ControlsRedesign

remove nice setting? see: http://www.pubbs.net/201003/linuxaudio/10007-re-lau-changing-for-editing-etcsecuritylimitsconf-in-debiantesting-ubuntu-lucid.html

  • discussion between John Dong and myself after Jussi poked me: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2010-May/002364.html
  • John suggested using "official" Ubuntu Studio backporting PPA because: it's like kubuntu it allows us to maintain control it doesn't overload the already overworked backports team provides proving grounds that backported apps have quality then can be included in official Ubuntu backports repository
  • if we don't want to use Ubuntu Studio backports PPA then we need small group to test and provide vocal feedback in backport bugs

discussion between John Dong and myself after Jussi poked me: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2010-May/002364.html

  • it's like kubuntu

  • it allows us to maintain control

  • it doesn't overload the already overworked backports team

  • provides proving grounds that backported apps have quality

  • then can be included in official Ubuntu backports repository

  • good summary of previous discussion at UbuntuStudio/Sandbox#Notes%20from%20IRC%20Logs

  • a good direction appears to be using Word Press

  • detrate is really engaged with this task, we should focus on supporting him

  • you can find the available information at UbuntuStudio/TaskWebRevamp

good summary of previous discussion at UbuntuStudio/Sandbox#Notes%20from%20IRC%20Logs

you can find the available information at UbuntuStudio/TaskWebRevamp

information about this can be found at: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/ubuntustudio.html

see: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/ubuntustudio.html#sameversionbutlocalinB

see: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/ubuntustudio.html#outdatedandlocalinB

  • in order to help (and encourage) our users to test we should develop testing procedures
  • since stochastic is lead of ubuntustudio-testers group can he help develop procedures
  • ScottL offers to assist develop the procedures and document it on help.ubuntu.com

since stochastic is lead of ubuntustudio-testers group can he help develop procedures

  • establish uses for help.ubuntu.com vs. wiki.ubuntu.com

  • suggested direction: help.ubuntu.com is community facing documentation wiki.ubuntu.com is for developers and contributors to organize for release

  • document this decision and email users

  • help.ubuntu.com is community facing documentation

  • wiki.ubuntu.com is for developers and contributors to organize for release

Minutes

  • Begin Meeting - Attendance: ScottL, rlameiro, astraljava, crimsun, andyzweb, guitarman

  • Agenda Amendments: none

  • LV2 Packaging quadrispro is heading up the lv2 packaging but wasn't at the meeting but had previously mentioned that he had at least one other person helping zynjacku/lv2rack is already in debian new

  • JACK2/Pulse Audio Integration before the meeting, TheMuso had mentioned that JACK2 is already in Debian and hopes to have it working for Maverick crimsun said in Lucid Pulse Audio relies on udev for @audio permissions, therefore users should NOT be added to the @audio if Pulse is used cirumsun also mentions that Connor Curran may have resources this cycle to investigate one-click enablement of JACK from indicator-sound according to crimsun, the user doesn't need to be in @audio because the active user has the "active seat" and therefore access to @audio also, plug-in devices like USB and firewire should have transparent usage if correct permissions are assigned in the udev rule

  • Network Manager Bug gnome-network-admin had a patch applied to it that disables the interface since network-manager is being used on vanilla Ubuntu desktop it was noted that there was a bug report filed for gnome-network-admin to remove the patch crimsun discussed that we definitely want to get the fixed package into lucid-proposed rlameiro and ScottL talked about testing network-manager, but nothing definitive was concluded

  • Ubuntu Studio Controls Update and Redesign ubuntu-studio-controls needs an update to moderate /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf instead of /etc/security/limits.conf rlameiro has some redesign ideas but wants to wait until other items are decided ScottL says that we should still update ubuntustudio-controls for the audio.conf vs limits.conf the "nice" setting was questions and crimsun thinks that renicing will not provide benefit ScottL questioned if there is any other setting or application installation that is routinely done by users that could be included, but no significant suggestions were made astraljava suggested including only things that did not have a relatively easy GUI rlameiro asked about including a Perl script found on http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pro_Audio that helps tune audio systems

  • Ubuntu Studio Applications Backporting ScottL asked for thoughts on including an "official" Ubuntu Studio backports PPA which would include backports for users before (and if) they go into the official Ubuntu -backports repository astraljava showed interest in working with backports, and even integrating into the Ubuntu -backports team ScottL also demonstrated interest in working with backports crimsun adviced partitioning the backports into at least "stable" and "development", noting anything in "stable" should be in Debian as well

  • Website Update detrate is working on it, but was unavailable for the meeting however, detrate has someone working with him to help development it appears that at this time the website update is progressing in WordPress guitarman mentioned he believes that most new people coming to Ubuntu Studio are doing so through the website as such, guitarman suggested that a 'Help' tab and 'Developer' tab on the new website to clearly direct new persons appropriately

  • Reduce Delta Between Ubuntu Studio and Debian ScottL noted that it is to the Ubuntu Studio developers benefit to reduce the delta between Debian and Ubuntu Studio applications this benefit mainly includes less manual maintenance for Ubuntu Studio developers existing local (Ubuntu) changes should be reviewed and if found still necessary then try to push those back "upstream" to Debian if applicable (some will not be applicable) astraljava offered to start tracking this, mentioning that he has talked to quadrispro about working closer with Debian Multimedia

  • Testing Procedures stochastic is team leader for the ubuntustudio-testers team but was unavailable for the meeting ScottL suggested a small team of those interested get together and develop guidelines for testing and noted that we have nothing right now therefore anything would be better rlameiro and astraljava showed interest in developing procedures rlameiro also committed to getting in touch with stochastic ScottL has numerous wiki pages bookmarked and will send them to rlameiro and astraljava

  • Ubuntu Studio Documentation the general consensus was that help.ubuntu.com should be to document how to use Ubuntu Studio and wiki.ubuntu.com should be to document how Ubuntu Studio is created guitarman suggested that help.ubuntu.com could be funneled into the ubuntustudio.org website

  • quadrispro is heading up the lv2 packaging but wasn't at the meeting

  • but had previously mentioned that he had at least one other person helping

  • zynjacku/lv2rack is already in debian new

  • before the meeting, TheMuso had mentioned that JACK2 is already in Debian and hopes to have it working for Maverick

  • crimsun said in Lucid Pulse Audio relies on udev for @audio permissions, therefore users should NOT be added to the @audio if Pulse is used

  • cirumsun also mentions that Connor Curran may have resources this cycle to investigate one-click enablement of JACK from indicator-sound

  • according to crimsun, the user doesn't need to be in @audio because the active user has the "active seat" and therefore access to @audio

  • also, plug-in devices like USB and firewire should have transparent usage if correct permissions are assigned in the udev rule

before the meeting, TheMuso had mentioned that JACK2 is already in Debian and hopes to have it working for Maverick

  • gnome-network-admin had a patch applied to it that disables the interface since network-manager is being used on vanilla Ubuntu desktop

  • it was noted that there was a bug report filed for gnome-network-admin to remove the patch

  • crimsun discussed that we definitely want to get the fixed package into lucid-proposed

  • rlameiro and ScottL talked about testing network-manager, but nothing definitive was concluded

  • ubuntu-studio-controls needs an update to moderate /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf instead of /etc/security/limits.conf

  • rlameiro has some redesign ideas but wants to wait until other items are decided

  • ScottL says that we should still update ubuntustudio-controls for the audio.conf vs limits.conf

  • the "nice" setting was questions and crimsun thinks that renicing will not provide benefit

  • ScottL questioned if there is any other setting or application installation that is routinely done by users that could be included, but no significant suggestions were made

  • astraljava suggested including only things that did not have a relatively easy GUI

  • rlameiro asked about including a Perl script found on http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pro_Audio that helps tune audio systems

rlameiro asked about including a Perl script found on http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pro_Audio that helps tune audio systems

  • ScottL asked for thoughts on including an "official" Ubuntu Studio backports PPA which would include backports for users before (and if) they go into the official Ubuntu -backports repository

  • astraljava showed interest in working with backports, and even integrating into the Ubuntu -backports team

  • ScottL also demonstrated interest in working with backports

  • crimsun adviced partitioning the backports into at least "stable" and "development", noting anything in "stable" should be in Debian as well

  • detrate is working on it, but was unavailable for the meeting

  • however, detrate has someone working with him to help development

  • it appears that at this time the website update is progressing in WordPress

  • guitarman mentioned he believes that most new people coming to Ubuntu Studio are doing so through the website

  • as such, guitarman suggested that a 'Help' tab and 'Developer' tab on the new website to clearly direct new persons appropriately

it appears that at this time the website update is progressing in WordPress

  • ScottL noted that it is to the Ubuntu Studio developers benefit to reduce the delta between Debian and Ubuntu Studio applications

  • this benefit mainly includes less manual maintenance for Ubuntu Studio developers

  • existing local (Ubuntu) changes should be reviewed and if found still necessary then try to push those back "upstream" to Debian if applicable (some will not be applicable)

  • astraljava offered to start tracking this, mentioning that he has talked to quadrispro about working closer with Debian Multimedia

  • stochastic is team leader for the ubuntustudio-testers team but was unavailable for the meeting

  • ScottL suggested a small team of those interested get together and develop guidelines for testing and noted that we have nothing right now therefore anything would be better

  • rlameiro and astraljava showed interest in developing procedures

  • rlameiro also committed to getting in touch with stochastic

  • ScottL has numerous wiki pages bookmarked and will send them to rlameiro and astraljava

  • the general consensus was that help.ubuntu.com should be to document how to use Ubuntu Studio

  • and wiki.ubuntu.com should be to document how Ubuntu Studio is created

  • guitarman suggested that help.ubuntu.com could be funneled into the ubuntustudio.org website

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